Showing posts with label Same-Sex Marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Same-Sex Marriage. Show all posts

Friday, January 22, 2010

Grek Koukl on "same-sex marriage"



In a recent BLOG POST, Greg Koukl offers some very interesting counter-arguments that you might hear from those who not only support same-sex marriage, but infer that we should support it as well. I thought his insights were so articulate that I figured i'd paste them here for you all to read. Feel free to share any of your thoughts as well:

Either there’s a natural teleology to marriage or there’s not

Who are you to say?” That challenge works both ways. First, if my disapproval isn’t legitimate, then why is my approval legitimate? If I don’t have the right to judge something wrong (“Who are you to say?”), I certainly don’t have the right to judge it right (“Who am I to say?”). Second, why is it that I can’t make a moral judgment here, but apparently you can?

The appeal for a change in marriage laws is an attempt to change the moral consensus about homosexuality.

You invite me to make a moral judgment, then you challenge my right to make a judgment when I don’t give the answer you want. Who am I to judge? You asked for the peoples’ moral opinion by asking for the people to vote on an initiative giving homosexual unions equal status with heterosexual unions.

Why should homosexuals be allowed to marry? Because it’s “fair.” In what sense is the present situation unfair? Because homosexual relationships don’t get legal/social recognition equal with heterosexual relationships. You’re right, they don’t, but why is that unfair? Because those relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships? But that’s the very thing under dispute.

If there is no natural teleology to marriage and families, then the definition of marriage is simply a matter of convention. We can define it how we want. Now, I don’t accept that view, but even if I did, this doesn’t help homosexual marriage. Society has voted, and they’ve voted it out. On what grounds do you appeal for a change? Moral grounds? You’ve surrendered that opportunity when you claim that there is no right or wrong definition of marriage. If so, I have no moral obligation to opt for one view over another. If marriage is merely defined by society, well then, we voted and defined it as one man and one woman. You asked for a social consensus, you got it.

Second, if marriage is merely what we define it then what keeps us from expanding the definition of marriage beyond the inclusion of homosexuality to other kinds of relationships? Can I marry my daughter, or another man and his wife? Can two men marry the same woman simultaneously? Believe me, these aren’t outlandish examples. There are already groups moving for further redefinition if that’s all marriage is. There is no limit to how marriage might be defined in this view.

The only way a claim of injustice or unfairness can stick is if we have a moral obligation to view all sexual or emotional combinations as equal. But that depends on an objective standard, and that is a concept already jettisoned when society is asked to define marriage as they wish. If there’s a moral standard of fairness to appeal to, then there’s a moral standard for marriage to appeal to, as well.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Marriage: ordained and created by...Obama?

You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.(Applause)
--President Barak Obama, October 10, 2009

Al Mohler has recently offered his commentary that I feel is worth reading in light of the President's recent speech. James White offers his thoughts as well. My two cents go as follows:

Marriage was ordained by God, not by men. And because I believe God to be the Almighty judge and creator of this Universe, what He says goes. I simply know of no other way to say it. So whether you "like" His laws and stipulations is something that you have to take up with Him. But given the President's comment cited above, how can I "admire" what God has deemed sinful? Am I to go against my Creator because of what is politically correct in today's culture?

My problem is, on what basis can President Obama make such a declaration? What is his moral standard? Mine is the Bible. And regardless of how progressive morality is today, I cannot go along with it no matter how popular it becomes. This isn't about "hating" gays or denying them their rights as American citizens; this is about my moral views that are based on God's moral views. And who does my President think he is to tell us what we should or shouldn't admire?

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

When God removes some of his hand of restraint...

This is what happens...



To see such hatred for God's law is truly a fulfillment of Romans 1, where God gives men over to their sinful lusts. To treat this little old lady like they are (not letting her speak, tearing up her cross, etc.) just shows how far the rebel sinner will go to portray his hatred towards God.

ht: James White

Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Mormons get a taste of their own medicine

If you've been keeping up with the news lately, then you'll notice a lot of controversy over proposition 8, which is an attempt to define marriage as "one man and one woman." In this video, the Mormons are very falsely portrayed as bigots who are trying to force their views down others' throats. Take a look.



Anyone who's ever encountered Mormon missionaries knows that this would never happen. But the point is, this is what the world is portraying them to be, since they are "taking away their rights." The reason I find this ironic is because Mormons often find those of us who point out the errors of Mormonism to be "hateful, mean," or whatever. Even if their errors are pointed out in a gentle and respectful way; we are still categorized as opposing bigots. I've always found this odd since Joseph Smith himself disagreed as sternly with regards to the churches of Christendom as Christian apologists do with the LDS church today.

Now, the Mormons are finally seeing what its like to be falsely categorized into the realm of "hateful opposers." I hope and pray that at some point the Mormons will learn that disagreement is not the same thing as hate.

Thursday, May 01, 2008

Same-Sex Marriage Debate

I've been trying to put together some video blogs together, but there is never enough time! I'm meeting up tomorrow with one of my JW friends, David, and I have to do some additional research on 607 B.C. and the destruction of Jerusalem. I really want to get some things posted on this issue, because it is something that very few JW's know about. At any rate, first things first!

In the meantime, I wanted to post this video between James White and a sociology professor (which makes it very relevant to me!) whose name I can't remember. Its a short debate, but I thought it was very informative.